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		<title>Comment on a community response to the recession &#8211; a Green &#8216;New Deal&#8217; for Victoria? by Critical Times &#187; a community response to the recession – a Green ‘New Deal’ for Victoria?</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/a-community-response-to-the-recession-a-green-new-deal-for-victoria/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Critical Times &#187; a community response to the recession – a Green ‘New Deal’ for Victoria?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ecosocialist  by Cam [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on a community response to the recession &#8211; a Green &#8216;New Deal&#8217; for Victoria? by Credit Card Man</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/a-community-response-to-the-recession-a-green-new-deal-for-victoria/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Credit Card Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info. With all the bad information we get online with crazy credit websites, it is good to read something from someone who knows what they are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info. With all the bad information we get online with crazy credit websites, it is good to read something from someone who knows what they are talking about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An ecosocialist manifesto by Leftwrites &#187; Introducing The Ecosocialist</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/an-ecosocialist-manifesto/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Leftwrites &#187; Introducing The Ecosocialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 2001 Joel Kovel and Michael Lowy wrote an Ecosocialist Manifesto advancing a left approach to the deepening environmental crisis. Now some leftist environmentalists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in 2001 Joel Kovel and Michael Lowy wrote an Ecosocialist Manifesto advancing a left approach to the deepening environmental crisis. Now some leftist environmentalists [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What paradigms beyond Cap and Trade? by Adopted Domain</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/what-paradigms-beyond-cap-and-trade/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Adopted Domain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s an interesting idea to chew over...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s an interesting idea to chew over&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing The Ecosocialist by Duroyan Fertl</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/hello-world/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Duroyan Fertl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting post by UK Greens co-convenor Derek Wall over at Socialist Unity blog on the so-called &quot;Green Right&quot;
http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2571
Obviously this this at the other end of the spectrum, but it should still be of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting post by UK Greens co-convenor Derek Wall over at Socialist Unity blog on the so-called &#8220;Green Right&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2571" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2571</a><br />
Obviously this this at the other end of the spectrum, but it should still be of interest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Introducing The Ecosocialist by bill weller</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/hello-world/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>bill weller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why support Capitalism

The world is in crisis. Due to the continuous support of the capitalist system we find ourselves at the edge of total disaster. Greed and profits have brought us to the point of no return, the world and mankind beyond help. Religion., an enslavement tool for the capitalists will always prevent nations from working together and this is the downfall of any measures used by the capitalist parties and governments to combat climate change. The Greens preach a &quot; Third way &quot; yet no one can explain what this way is and how it will work. This &quot; Third way &quot; is just another cover for capitalist support at the expense of the disadvantaged and the poverty stricken. Until the Greens see that its move to the right will make them ( I will not be renewing my membership) contribute to the problem rather than solve it they will never be an alternative. The Greens have had elected parliamentarians that are not  Socialist  but career politicians serving not the members that worked hard for them nor the community but themselves . Again the richy rich gain control and direct the party on a capitalist supporting path.  What hope do the residence of the earth have when the only alternative party is capitalist embracing.

Regards bill</description>
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<p>The world is in crisis. Due to the continuous support of the capitalist system we find ourselves at the edge of total disaster. Greed and profits have brought us to the point of no return, the world and mankind beyond help. Religion., an enslavement tool for the capitalists will always prevent nations from working together and this is the downfall of any measures used by the capitalist parties and governments to combat climate change. The Greens preach a &#8221; Third way &#8221; yet no one can explain what this way is and how it will work. This &#8221; Third way &#8221; is just another cover for capitalist support at the expense of the disadvantaged and the poverty stricken. Until the Greens see that its move to the right will make them ( I will not be renewing my membership) contribute to the problem rather than solve it they will never be an alternative. The Greens have had elected parliamentarians that are not  Socialist  but career politicians serving not the members that worked hard for them nor the community but themselves . Again the richy rich gain control and direct the party on a capitalist supporting path.  What hope do the residence of the earth have when the only alternative party is capitalist embracing.</p>
<p>Regards bill</p>
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		<title>Comment on There&#8217;s one born every minute by omar</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/theres-one-born-every-minute/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You build me a train line with regular services, space to breathe, cheaper tickets, and that runs through the night, and I promise you we&#039;ll use it.

The reason they don&#039;t is that it wouldn&#039;t make a profit.  They&#039;ll continue to manufacture huge cars, coal power plants etc till they day we force them to stop.  Remember, under capitalism it&#039;s logical to do destructive things as long as you can make $$$ 

Capitalism is the only dumb thing around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You build me a train line with regular services, space to breathe, cheaper tickets, and that runs through the night, and I promise you we&#8217;ll use it.</p>
<p>The reason they don&#8217;t is that it wouldn&#8217;t make a profit.  They&#8217;ll continue to manufacture huge cars, coal power plants etc till they day we force them to stop.  Remember, under capitalism it&#8217;s logical to do destructive things as long as you can make $$$ </p>
<p>Capitalism is the only dumb thing around here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on There&#8217;s one born every minute by DavidG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know just how bad global warming will have to get before it is taken seriously. Currently the problem is receiving lip service by most countries and by major polluters.

The building of more V8 motor vehicles was a classic example. Humans are dumb!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know just how bad global warming will have to get before it is taken seriously. Currently the problem is receiving lip service by most countries and by major polluters.</p>
<p>The building of more V8 motor vehicles was a classic example. Humans are dumb!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The market and the food crisis by Stephen Darley</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/the-market-and-the-food-crisis/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Darley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excerpt form Ehrlich&#039;s &quot;Population Bomb&quot; which I use in teaching to point out the direction the neo-Malthusians take us. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In Famine   1975! The Paddocks suggest a policy based on the concept of &#039;triages&#039; borrowed from military medicine. ………...

The Paddocks suggest that a similar system be devised for classifying nations. Some will undergo the transition to self-sufficiency without drastic aid from outside. They will be ones with abundant money for foreign purchases, or with efficient governments, strong population control programmes, and strong agricultural development programmes. Although aid might help them, they could get along without it. Some nations, on the other hand may become self-sufficient if the US gave them some food to tide them over. Finally there is the last tragic category: those countries so far behind in the population food game that there is no hope that food aid will see them through to self-sufficiency.

The Paddocks feel that limited assistance should go to those whom it would save, not to those who can survive without it or those who can&#039;t be saved in any case. Their views have not, to say the least, been greeted with enthusiasm by foreign governments, by those in the US government whose jobs depend on the willy nilly spreading of American largesse abroad, or by the assorted do-gooders who are deeply involved in the apparatus of international food charity. Criticism from some of those groups, is a compliment.

In my opinion, there is no rational choice except to adopt some form of Paddocks&#039; strategy, at least as far as good distribution during famine is concerned. They deserve immense credit for their courage and foresight in publishing Famine  1975!, which may be remembered as one of the most important books of our age.  &amp;mdash Paul Erlich, The Population Bomb, pp. 156-157&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But it&#039;s easy to see why this version of Ehrlich is preferred to the 21st century one, the same class-based reason Marx pointed out re Malthus, but on a global scale: the bite-back to anti-imperialist attacks on the US and western powers in general. And it has a dog-whistle-type appeal : &quot;... the problem cetrainly isn&#039;t me, and it surely isn&#039;t you &#8212; so it must be THEM &#8212; those different sort of people over there are to blame, and now they want to come here and take our food and lifestyle away, and blame us for the mess they have left thier own countries in ...&quot;

This kind of proto-fascist line will be preached in growing intensity as climate-change refugees start to be generated in larger and larger numbers &#8212; especially when coupled with US-originated recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excerpt form Ehrlich&#8217;s &#8220;Population Bomb&#8221; which I use in teaching to point out the direction the neo-Malthusians take us. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In Famine   1975! The Paddocks suggest a policy based on the concept of &#8216;triages&#8217; borrowed from military medicine. ………&#8230;</p>
<p>The Paddocks suggest that a similar system be devised for classifying nations. Some will undergo the transition to self-sufficiency without drastic aid from outside. They will be ones with abundant money for foreign purchases, or with efficient governments, strong population control programmes, and strong agricultural development programmes. Although aid might help them, they could get along without it. Some nations, on the other hand may become self-sufficient if the US gave them some food to tide them over. Finally there is the last tragic category: those countries so far behind in the population food game that there is no hope that food aid will see them through to self-sufficiency.</p>
<p>The Paddocks feel that limited assistance should go to those whom it would save, not to those who can survive without it or those who can&#8217;t be saved in any case. Their views have not, to say the least, been greeted with enthusiasm by foreign governments, by those in the US government whose jobs depend on the willy nilly spreading of American largesse abroad, or by the assorted do-gooders who are deeply involved in the apparatus of international food charity. Criticism from some of those groups, is a compliment.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there is no rational choice except to adopt some form of Paddocks&#8217; strategy, at least as far as good distribution during famine is concerned. They deserve immense credit for their courage and foresight in publishing Famine  1975!, which may be remembered as one of the most important books of our age.  &amp;mdash Paul Erlich, The Population Bomb, pp. 156-157&#8243;</p></blockquote>
<p>But it&#8217;s easy to see why this version of Ehrlich is preferred to the 21st century one, the same class-based reason Marx pointed out re Malthus, but on a global scale: the bite-back to anti-imperialist attacks on the US and western powers in general. And it has a dog-whistle-type appeal : &#8220;&#8230; the problem cetrainly isn&#8217;t me, and it surely isn&#8217;t you &mdash; so it must be THEM &mdash; those different sort of people over there are to blame, and now they want to come here and take our food and lifestyle away, and blame us for the mess they have left thier own countries in &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This kind of proto-fascist line will be preached in growing intensity as climate-change refugees start to be generated in larger and larger numbers &mdash; especially when coupled with US-originated recession.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The market and the food crisis by Terry Townsend</title>
		<link>http://theecosocialist.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/the-market-and-the-food-crisis/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Townsend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another plug ...

A clip from the BBC&#039;s Around the World in 80 Gardens (2008) introduces the urban organic food gardening revolution in Havana, Cuba. Also a three-part talk by Cuban permaculturist Roberto Perez that delves deeper into Cuba&#039;s green revolution, and an interview with the makers of The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil, the film in which Perez featured.

http://links.org.au/node/416</description>
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<p>A clip from the BBC&#8217;s Around the World in 80 Gardens (2008) introduces the urban organic food gardening revolution in Havana, Cuba. Also a three-part talk by Cuban permaculturist Roberto Perez that delves deeper into Cuba&#8217;s green revolution, and an interview with the makers of The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil, the film in which Perez featured.</p>
<p><a href="http://links.org.au/node/416" rel="nofollow">http://links.org.au/node/416</a></p>
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